Poll: First Debris metal should be

[Saktoth]

There are two debris types, the first and the second. Currently the first has the same metal as wreckages, which is a bit pointless having two identical entries, especially when there is a second debris type which has 30% of corpse metal.

[Saktoth]

Winner: half wreck value (same as debris2) (11%)

[Google Frog]

Second debris should be removed. The eventual solution is a batch cob edit to only use 2 wrecks.

[Saktoth]

The reason we dont do this is a few bad .bos scripts and/or incorrect linear constants?

Also, why was the 'no debris' wreck state removed entirely?

I know we wanted to encourage more wrecks being left and we upped wreck HP, but these changes only lead to more debris being left behind, with more metal, not more wrecks.

[Google Frog]

I know we wanted to encourage more wrecks being left and we upped wreck HP, but these changes only lead to more debris being left behind, with more metal, not more wrecks.

Increase wreck HP?

[licho]

Sigh this is wrong question!!

First debris should not be debris at all!!!

It was supposed to be wreck - identical as first wreck.

Problem was, it was not ressable so we changed its model to debris.

But still, this is very important! Its important to keep metal there high, because CA's high damage units gib many stuff down to 2nd corpse which is atm debris1.

So STOP NERFING CORPSE METAL SO MUCH!

[Google Frog]

This is a case of the less of two evils between interface and gameplay. My greatest evil is wrecks which are identical to other wrecks but cannot be resurrected. That trumps the gameplay gains of more blocking wrecks being dropped. I didn't even know that the 2 debris was a workaround for gibbing.

A simple solution would be to remove Resurrection and make the first debri identical to the wreck.

[Saktoth]

I think corpse metal needs to be nerfed, but i like wrecks: I like BLOCKING wrecks.

It makes the terrain more interesting, it makes interactions with hiding behind things and more wreckfighting. Thats one of the thing i like most about the longer reclaim times.

Id be for more blocking wrecks but less wreck metal.

[licho]

Imo reduce it to 50 and fix it in scripts instead of hacky 3rd corpse way i introduced.

[licho]

Corpse metal is very important for stuff like recovering from attack on your base, being nuked in FFA etc.. It makes the game more interesting.

It works differently than ordinary territory/mex based income you see in every game and which leads to huge slippery slope.

[Saktoth]

Im in two minds about losing metal to nukes, it made them more final and threatening, though i dont know that that is actually entirely a good thing (Its nice when nukes are actually usable, rather than GG weapons).

Reclaim can lead to more slippery slope, as every scrap of territory you take from the enemy is littered with corpses, and attacking defences if you are down on territory is a losing prospect. It certainly makes the game somewhat unpredictable at times, but it can increase as easily as reduce slippery slope.

Reclaim is a really important economic investment, with returns 50% better than mexes, each constructor reclaiming being worth ~3 mexes. This is something players often fail to appreciate too.

[SirMaverick]

Reclaim can lead to more slippery slope, as every scrap of territory you take from the enemy is littered with corpses, and attacking defences if you are down on territory is a losing prospect. It certainly makes the game somewhat unpredictable at times, but it can increase as easily as reduce slippery slope.

Well it's not about base only. Territory is important too. Mex only eco lead more to porc because you have fixed point to protect. Territory is dynamic eco (not predefined what is important).

[Google Frog]

I'd like there to be more wrecks and a little less reclaim. Move wreck1 to 50%, debri1 turns into a 50% wreck, debri2 stays as debri. I would rather have more wrecks than resurrect.

[KingRaptor]

Remove rez? Are you guys nuts? ;_;

Sure it's not strictly needed, but you know this is another thing that people are going to complain about...

[Saktoth]

We can just impliment this in 1faction i guess. It will be easier to do scriptside solutions there anyway.

[midknight]

Is there any reason why we aren't using just 1 wreck and 1 debris type?

[licho]

Yes because scripts are set to only produce corpse1 if damage is <25% of unit HP, that means we would nearly never get wrecks in CA for small hp units like bots.

[Google Frog]

Winner: Wreck, remove ress to fix bug (44%)

[KingRaptor]

Winner: Wreck, remove ress to fix bug (36%)