Poll: Change to 1 faction to eliminate copyrighted stuff and re-add 2nd faction later, when we have enough models

[Google Frog]

Once we have a balanced interesting side full of interesting units there wouldn't really be much point in creating a duplicate faction of it. Also a lot of the remodels are planning on being used so the re-model effort to create another whole faction will be a little larger.

If the 2 sides are for campaign reasons we could even use bots vs vehicles in the campaign. One side has mobility and stealth where the other would have the ability to steamroll.

I like the idea of adding a propper chicken faction in the far future though.

[CarRepairer]

He didn't say create a duplicate faction. He is talking about using 1faction as a temporary IP-free public face of CA. Then when models are done, it would not be needed anymore.

[Google Frog]

He didn't say create a duplicate faction.

The current Arm and Core are duplicate factions. They're about as different as sides in AOE2, they've got different looking buildings and a few special units but at the core they are the same.

From having one side to having 2 sides which are very similar is what I see as adding a duplicate faction.

I'd like it if we could add a different faction. The balance required to do that makes it a very far future project but then again so is getting enough models. I think if we're going to put all the work into make 1 faction work, then making enough models to re-add the old one, we may as well work on a new interesting faction instead of the 2 near identical ones.

[licho]

Balancing 2 different factions is very hard. For example trying to balance chickens vs armocore.

[Google Frog]

Balancing 2 different factions is very hard. For example trying to balance chickens vs armocore.

Yes it is, that's why is a far flung 'wouldn't it be nice if I had time' kind of goal.

This poll also needs a clarification of enough models. Enough for the current units? Enough for a full amphib and hover lab for both sides? Enough for any unit we can think of?

[licho]

Enough for minimal sets of units. (Without hovers/rare stuff)

[Google Frog]

Enough for minimal sets of units. (Without hovers/rare stuff)

Without rare stuff = break FFA?

[licho]

You mean give you less options on 1 FFA map we play? :)

[licho]

I'm pushing for any form of 1 faction for simple reason:

• CA has no players, it's close to death, weaker than even NOTA
• there is some chance to get more people if CA is advertised outside spring and for this we need non-OTA models.

[CarRepairer]

I will clear up the terms.

A) Short term 1faction. A quick roll out of one faction using only OTA IP free models. An experimental exhibition version of CA that would allow us to advertise outside of spring and bring in artists. Balance as good as possible but it's mostly for exhibition, making videos, putting us out there. Behind the scenes the true 2faction CA would still be developed and when all the models are complete, it would replace the 1faction as our public face.

B) Long term 1faction. This would be the final design of CA.

Google and Saktoth are going for B.

I am for A and I do not like B at all.

Licho doesn't seem to care which one is implemented but he wants to increase playerbase. He made this poll as a way to appeal to those who feel the way I do.

I hope that was clear enough. Obviously whatever choice is more popular would eventually win out but since there are people on both sides at the moment it doesn't seem to be resolved any time soon. Let's hope for the best.

[SirMaverick]

First there was the 1 faction idea, we created a mutator for it. There are discussions about replacing CA with 1 faction. Now this poll says that 1 faction will definitely come - but replaced again with a multi faction. Might be confusing.

I'm all for going OTA-free, but not for such drastic mod changes - especially not back and forth. You won't keep the users you might get with 1 faction when you change the mod completely afterwards.

Besides that, has anyone played a 1 faction game yet? The more we talk about 1 faction the more I'm against it as long as its not tested by playing an actual game.

[Licho]

Winner: No (56%)